Josefina Mathilda Alfrida LUNDBERG

Notes:

Known as “Store-Wille” (Big Willie).

Vilhelm! Lundberg, född 1854-09-10 i Torup N. Bleckslagare
i Kobbol P.10 fb 1910-1930, Torup N. (hfl,ej i fb).
Adress Torup N Övregård bleckslageriarbetare 1886.

In 1886 he is shown as a tinsmith, owner of two acres of land. His wife is Cecilia Kristiansdotter of Göteryd in Småland.

Not listed in the 1850-1855 Household Examination. But Carl Johan has confirmed the 1854 birth date from the church book.

According to Carl Johan:

Big-Willy's full name was likely Johan Wilhelm Herdinius Lundberg. This is based on his oldest brother named Johan Wilhelm and the others Johan Alfred, Johan August and Johan Leander. He also had two sons named Johan Alfred and Johan Axel. In an interview with my father's cousin, he says that his grandfatherwas a friend of Wilhelm and that he told him his other name was Herdinius. Compare this to the names of Hjalmar's two oldest sons, Helge Wilhelm and Elfving Herdinius.  

Wilhelm married Amanda Cecilia Kristiansdotter LINDQVIST on 3 Mar 1886. Amanda was born in 1864 in Lijehul, Göteryd, Kronobergs län, Sweden; died on 1 Sep 1918. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Occupation: “Rag man”, coppersmith

Notes:

According to Carl Johan, Johan was called Johan i Ryd because of where he lived (Rydöbruk). Carl Johan also says that he was Johan Martin in his birth record.

Carl Johan and Jan have found information suggesting that Karl Olaf Wigren, a sailor, may have been the biological father of Johan Mårten. In the birth records for Johan Mårten, he is shown as the illegitimate son of Elin Strömgren, no father listed. However, in the household examination for the fortress of Varberg and Karlsborg, Anders is stated as Johan’s father.

From Diana’s research:

Before he went to Torup, Halland, Johan was a millitary man in Karlsborg with the number 25. There he called himself Johan Mårten Persson Lundberg. Before he moved to Karlsborg he lived in Mariestad. He moved from Mariestad to Karlsborg in 1835. He and Maria Elisabet Lind married 12 Jan 1840 in Karlsborg. Maria Elisabet moved from Undernäs to Karlsborg in 1839.

Johan is referred to as Arb. No. 25 M. Persson in the record for his marriage.

He and Maja and his first son are listed in a clerical survey in Karlsborg. By the 1840s the family is in Rydö.

The census image for Johan in the late 1860s and very early 1870s seems to say April 1st. The May 3rd birth date is confirmed in another census or church record that Jan has received from a contact in Sweden.

At the time of a census in the late 1860s and very early 1870s, the family consisted of the parents plus Johan Alfred, Carl Oscar, Carl Gustaf, Johan August, Leander, and Vilhelm (Wilhelm) born in 1864.

Rydö is a place in Torup in Halland. There is or was a paper mill there too. Johan Lundberg worked as a rag-man and sold rag to the paper mill.

From Roger’s research:

Johan! Lundberg, född 1817-05-03, död 1872-04-22 i Torup N.
Lumpsamlare i Rydö Pappersbruk 1842-1856, Torup N. (hfl)..
Kom 1842 ifrån Barnarp F.
Ej född i Jönköpng Kristina F eller Jönköping Sofia F 1817.
Adress Barnarp F (Ej på socknen P.219-221 1840-1845, men har ej
kollat hela hfl, ingen flyttbok) ?-1842,
Torup N Rydö Pappersbruk Lumpsamlare 1842-1856,
Torup N Härhult 1856-1860, Torup N Gohult 1860-1861,
Torup N Övregårds ägor 1861-1872.

Gift med
Maria Elisabet Lind, född 1816-11-07 i Östra Grängshyttan Pilabo,
Hjulsjö T, död 1887-07-16 i Torup N. Bosatt i Rydö Pappersbruk 1842-1856,
Torup N. (f,hfl).
Döpt samma dag, Äkta dottern kallad Maja Lisa i födelsebok,
Föräldrar Glashandlare Christoffer Lind o. h. Eva Sofia Vennerberg
i Grängshyttan. Adress Hova R ?-1838, Undenäs R 1838-?

Barn:
Johan Vilhelm Lundberg, född 1839-08-14 i Berget, Hova R. (f).
+ Karl Johan Lundberg, född 1841-11-11, död 1843-05-03 i Varberg N.
(hfl).
Emelie Vilhelmina Lundberg, född 1843-10-20 i Rydö, Torup N.
(f,hfl). E1881.. Amerika 188100516-? (?0510).
Adress Torup N ?-18670520,
Annerstad sn Socknens Slut P.359 piga 18670520-1867,
Annerstad sn Annerstad Hulugård 1867-?,
Kånna sn Berghem Andersgård ägare 18731107-1879,
Kånna sn Berghem Västregård lägenheten Grönlund ägare änkan
1879-18810516, Amerika 18810516-?
Johan! Alfred Lundberg, född 1845-11-14 i Rydö, Torup N, död 1890-02-14
i Drängsered N. Järnhandlare Bleckslagare. (f,d).
Karl Oskar Lundberg, född 1847-12-02 i Rydö, Torup N.
Kopparslagare Bleckslagare i Kobbol 1894, Torup N. (f,hfl).
Adress Torup N ?-18701024,
Annerstad sn Annerstad Hulugård torpet Berget
kopparslageriarbetare 18701024-18711105,
Kånna sn Berghem Bergsgård torpet kopparslageriarbetare
18711107-18730107,
Kånna sn Knänjarp Södregård torpet Berget kopparslageriarbetare
18730107-1876,
Kånna sn Knänjarp Södregård inhyses kopparslagare under Bengt
Peterssons 1877-18821116,
Kånna sn På Socknen P.183 18821116-18830611,
Torup N 18830611-18831224,
Kånna sn På Socknen P.184 kopparslageriarbetare 18831224-18850331,
Torup N 18850331-?, Torup N Kobbol 1894.
Karl Gustaf Lundberg, född 1850-02-12 i Rydö, Torup N. (f,hfl). E1881..
Amerika 18810919-?.
Adress Torup sn ?-18731202,
Kånna sn Kvänjarp Södregård torpet Berget Dräng 18731202-18741002,
Kånna sn Berghem Andersgård torpet Björkelund dräng
18741002-18771029,
Kånna sn Berghem Södregård torpet Berget 18771029-18810919,
Amerika 18810919-?
Johan August Lundberg, född 1852-06-08 i Rydö, Torup N. Hemmansägare
i Sandshult, Torup N. Långaryd N 1882-?. (f).
Vilhelm! Lundberg, född 1854-09-10 i Torup N. Bleckslagare
i Kobbol P.10 fb 1910-1930, Torup N. (hfl,ej i fb).
Adress Torup N Övregård bleckslageriarbetare 1886.
+ Maria Matilda Lundberg, född 1858-04-14 i Härhult, Torup N,
död 1861-11-20 i Torup N. (f,hfl).
Leander! Lundberg, född 1863-02-27 i Torup N, död 1893-03-18 i Kobbol,
Torup N. Bleckslagare i Kobbol 1883-1893, Torup N. (f,hfl).

The family was not listed in Öfregård in the Torup 1861-1866 Household Examination. They were, however, listed at the end of the Household Examination in a place called Öfregårds Nybygge for the years 1861-1866.

Birth:
in Löderups parish, Skåne (near Ystad), according to Carl Johan … May 4th according to WikiTree

Johan married Maja Lisa LIND on 2 Feb 1840 in Karlsborg, Skaraborgs län, Sweden. Maja (daughter of Christofer ANNASSON LIND and Eva Sophia WENNERBERG) was born on 7 Nov 1816 in Grängshyttan Pilabo, Hjulsjö, Örebro län, Sweden; was christened on 7 Nov 1816 in Hjulsjö, Örebro län, Sweden; died on 16 Jul 1887 in Torup N Bosatt i Rydö Pappersbruk, Hallands län, Sweden. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Baptism: 7 Nov 1816, Hjulsjö, Örebro län, Sweden

Notes:

Birth location also shown as Östra Grängshyttan Pilabo Hjulsjö Sweden. Born as Maja Lisa. Also known as Maria Elisabet.

Her birthdate in the Torup Household Examination for Öfregards Nybygge 1861-1866 is 5 May 1817.

Birth:
WikiTree says 1815

Notes:

Married:
banns January 12th

Other Events and Attributes:

• Occupation: Lumpsamlaren Och Artilleristen

Notes:

He was in the military in Karlsborg and had the number 39. The family moved from Varberg, Halland, to the Karlsborg garrison in 1831.

Carl Johan says that Anders Lundberg was an artillery man at Varberg and Karlsborg between the years of 1824 and 1832. Carl Johan also believes that Anders Lundberg was convicted of theft at least three times in Skåne in the years before 1824.

Carl Johan believes that Fredrik Lundberg, b. 1741 in Skåne, d. 1789-1792, may be the father of Anders and Anna Sophia Mentzner, b. ca 1740-1752, d. 1800, may be the mother of Anders. Alternatively, and perhaps more likely in Carl Johan’s opinion, is that Frederick Lundberg was Anders’s grandfather and that Anders’s father was Frederick’s son Petter, b. ca 1773 in Gothenburg, who would have fathered Anders at age 16.

By Carl Johan’s research, Frederick joined the military in 1776 at Malmö and was dismissed in 1789. Peter Lundberg served in the military from 1796 to May of 1798 when he was convicted of forgery.

Frederick also had a daughter, b. ca 1768 in Gothenburg, who died in 1778.

Petter Lundberg had a daughter named Anna Catharina with Sara Wennergren in 1796. Later, Sara had a daughter with Samuel Gustav Blom who was born in Abild parish, Halland county, on 23 Aug 1800. Anna Catharina Blom, having taken her step-father’s surname, had children with a man named Lindqvist, naming them with the combined surname Blomqvist. Quite interestingly, three of Johan Lundberg’s six sons married or had children with women with surnames Lindqvist or Blomqvist.

Anders also had a son name Johan Petter.

Carl Johan also found an old newspaper from January of 1798 which describes that the priest who had been asked to marry Petter Lundberg and Sara Wennergren demanded proof that Petter was not already married to another woman. Perhaps he had made up his own paperwork evidence to show that he was not married to another woman! Nevertheless, Sara Wennergren had a child with Blom two years later.

From all of his research, Carl Johan offers the following best guess, reasoning that we must be related to these people as they were the only Traveller Lundbergs in Sweden at that time:

Petter Lundberg. Soldier 1796-98 at Landskrona garnison. Born 1772 in Gothenburg. Engaged with Sara Wennergren 1796-98. Convicted for forgery in 1798 and dismissed from the Army.
Children: (here’s where the best guess comes in) son Anders born 1789 in Skåne, mother unknown. Daughter Anna Catharina born 1796 in Skåne, mother Sara Wennergren.

Fredrik Lundberg. Soldier from 1776 to around 1790 at Malmö garrison and wanderer (Swedish vandringsman). Born 1741 in Skåne, died around 1792 (perhaps in the war against Russia in 1790). Married with unknown women before 1782, married to Anna Sofia Mentzer (b. 1760-1752, d. 1800) after 1782.

Children: daughter Maria Helena born around 1767 in Gothenburg, died 1778 in Kronoberg. Son Petter born 1772 in Gothenburg. Daughter Sara Christina born 1782 in Skåne (mother Mentzer). Daughter Albertina born 1784. Daughter Fredrika born 1788, death 1789.

Further elaboration on Anders by Carl Johan:

“Anders Lundberg lived a short life: 42 years old when he died. He began his career as a farm hand and later at the age of 18 he went on to become a soldier, hussar, at Skånes Husarregemente. In all, Anders was a hussar, naval gunner, artillerist, vagabond and ragman at Klippan's paper mill. In 1811, 200 years ago, he was dismissed from the Army and began wandering the roads as a vagabond. It is clear that he came in contact with Travellers and befriendend them. He adopted a Traveller lifestyle that resembles that of other "real" Travellers of that time (e.g., working as naval gunner, ragman, coppersmith, etc.). He may have been seen as a Traveller by other Travellers. However, the only "real" Gypsy blood in his descendants comes in when his son Johan marries Maja Lisa Lind and when their children marry into other Traveller families. It can also be noted that Anders at 3 times was convicted for thievery and in 1821 he was sentenced to 10 days of water and bread.”

Also from Carl Johan: “In 1812 Anders was convicted for theft and got 40 lashes. Later a second time for theft with 40 lashes again and a third time for theft on water and bread.”

Birth:
Carl Johan’s research. Lyngby parish, Malmöhus län, Skåne.

Andreas married Elin STRÖMGREN. Elin (daughter of Johannes STRÖMGREN and Lena Pettersdotter) was born on 18 Feb 1787 in Kronobergs län, Småland, Sweden. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Not tattare. (And, apparently, neither was Anders.)

Carl Johan and Jan have found information suggesting that Karl Olaf Wigren, a sailor, may have been the biological father of Johan Mårten. In the birth records for Johan Mårten, he is shown as the illegitimate son of Elin Strömgren, no father listed. However, in the household examination for the fortress of Varberg and Karlsborg, Anders is stated as Johan’s father.

Carl Johan comments: “At a unknown date, Anders’s first wife Kersti dies or get divorce and he marries Elin Strömgren at an unknown date. Since Anders in the 1810ths was a naval gunner in Karlskrona, and that fact that Elin travelled in the same area as Anders, I suspect he was cheating on Kersti with Elin. In order to get a passport to Skåne, Elin told the authorities that she was to visit her uncle Henrik Bengtsson in Trelleborg. The problem is that she had no uncle Henrik so she obviously lied.”

Birth:
Östra Torsås socken

Other Events and Attributes:

• Occupation: Glass And Iron Merchant

Notes:

Other sources have his birth on 15 Mar 1788 in Eskilstuna, Södermanland.

He was employed in glass manufacturing and lived in several places.

Died between 1821 and 1823.

He married his cousin’s daughter.

Jan Johannson calls him Christofer Olofsson (Lind).

Died:
Jan Johansson says between 1821 and 1823.

Christofer married Eva Sophia WENNERBERG on 27 Dec 1811 in Järlåsa, Uppsala län, Sweden. Eva (daughter of Lars WENNERBERG and Hedvig LUNDSTRÖM) was born on 6 Jun 1795 in Norrtälje, Upplands län, Sweden; died on 17 Jan 1842 in Hova, Västergötland, Skaraborgs län, Sweden. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Baptism: 7 Jun 1795, Norrtälje, Upplands län, Sweden
• Confirmation: 7 Jun 1811

Notes:

Regarding her first marriage:

Marriage records reveals he was a widower, had papers verifying his good standing in the Lutheran church, was of good character, had previously labored as a glass merchant in a metal plant (manufacturer). He was from Eskilstuna.

Eva had this summer been taught her religion. She partook of the sacrament on 7 June 1811. Her father, L. Wennerberg, was a glassware merchant. Her mother was Hedvig Lundstrom. She was from Gyntersbach hem[m]an in this parish. The Banns were read. (Translated by Enka Haslam.)

Birth:
“probably in Eskilstuna, Södermanland”

Baptism:
WikiTree says Norrtälje is in or near Stockholm

Notes:

Married:
or Västerås, Västmanland, Sweden, the location in Swedish Marriages 1630-1920